RPPEO - Postural Vital Signs

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Postural Vital Signs

Question#: 653

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When attending a witnessed syncope where the patient is now conscious, alert, and oriented, should the first set of vitals be taken before standing them? In what cases would you prefer to stand them first?

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yle="margin: 10px 0px 0px; padding: 0px; color: #172b4d; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, 'Fira Sans', 'Droid Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff;">Within our training, we have many tools that can help rule in/rule out the differentials, and it’s important to use them often. As an example, it would be prudent to do a 12-lead on patient who has a syncopal event.

yle="margin: 10px 0px 0px; padding: 0px; color: #172b4d; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, 'Fira Sans', 'Droid Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff;">Despite the test at our disposal, it’s important to acknowledge our limitations, especially in the context that approximately 34% of syncopal events have no clear etiology.

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yle="margin: 10px 0px 0px; padding: 0px; color: #172b4d; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, 'Fira Sans', 'Droid Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff;">So, as a blanket statement, given the wide range of potential pathologies, it’s not necessary that the first set of vital signs is taken supine.

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yle="margin: 10px 0px 0px; padding: 0px; color: #172b4d; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, 'Fira Sans', 'Droid Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff;">Orthostatic hypotension can be asymptomatic or symptomatic. When autonomic reflexes are impaired or intravascular volume is markedly depleted, there’s a significant reduction in blood pressure that occurs upon standing. Orthostatic hypotension is diagnosed by comparing blood pressure readings in the supine and standing positions. The threshold of change for orthostatic hypotension is:

A reduction of 20 mmHg or more in systolic pressure
A reduction of 10 mmHg or more in diastolic pressure

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yle="margin: 10px 0px 0px; padding: 0px; color: #172b4d; font-family: -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, Oxygen, Ubuntu, 'Fira Sans', 'Droid Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff;">To summarize, as a blanket statement, given the wide range of potential pathologies, it’s not necessary that the first set of vital signs is taken supine. There may be a small subset of patients that may benefit from postural vital signs, but there’s a specific technique that is rarely performed properly in the prehospital environment.

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yle="color: #0052cc; text-decoration: none; cursor: pointer;">https://www.uptodate.com/contents/mechanisms-causes-and-evaluation-of-orthostatic-hypotension?search=orthostatic%20hypotension&source=search_result&selectedTitle=1~150&usage_type=default&display_rank=1
yle="color: #0052cc; text-decoration: none; cursor: pointer;">https://canadiem.org/tiny-tips-svncope-for-syncope/

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